and helped with a layout - i was cursing myself for cutting the squares in tom rhs (in my gallery) in front of the tv and not getting the quite right - had laid them out and dh walked in - would normally make no comment but actually agreed when i said they were not even and jiggled the phots around to provide the lo i ended up with which i am really pleased with - even said 'maybe i should become a scrapper' - didnt know he knew the term! nikki