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OK. I've sent for the birth certificate and found out his mum is Ellen Fairhurst not Ellen Tollitt as I thought! Now I've found out she's from Pemberton but when I look up the census results I find there are at least 3 Ellen Fairhursts born in Pemberton in the year she was born! I have no other clues.
Does anyone know how I work out which one she is? (she has no occupation listed either)
Scrappy~Sarah
30-01-2006, 03:30 PM
Is there a father on the cert?? Or do you know of any siblings that may be on census with her?? Or other children????
:unsure:
The certificate is for her son Matthew, it's from that I found who his mum was - Ellen. I've been looking for the father too - same problem. Too many Willaim Marsh's born in Wigan in the same year. If I could narrow them down I could send for their certificates. But without any more clues I may send for the wrong certificate and still be non the wiser to if it's the right person.
They appear together in the 1901 census as a young married couple with no kids so I have no clues going back again to find other people on the census.
If I find their marriage certificates will that give me their dates of birth?
Scrappy~Sarah
30-01-2006, 03:41 PM
No - just ages if they are acurate! Would they have been alive in the 1881 census year??
yes, but unmarried, along with several more people of the same name with the same year of birth in the same towns.
katiepops
30-01-2006, 04:55 PM
I'm tired and my brain hurts so I can't make head nor tale of where you've looked and what you've found etc, but if you look in the International Genealogical Index (familysearch.org) you might find either the birth or christening listed, with details of the parents. I found several of my greatgreatgreats this way - well, at least the christening dates, if not the birth dates.
Kate
Thanks Kate but couldn't get anywhere on it.
Matthew Marsh is my Grandfather (deceased). I got his birth certificate today saying he is born 1901 and his parents were William Marsh and Ellen Fairhurst.
I have found William & Ellen on the 1901 census therefore know where they were born and a rough year. Now I want to trace William & Ellen back through the previous censuses and get their birth cretificates. Problem is there are several William Marsh born wigan 1875, and several Ellen Fairhursts born Pemberton 1876. I have found the GRO for their wedding in 1900. This is all I know about them.
How would you go about finding which is the correct william Marsh and the correct Ellen Fairhursts out of a list of say 3 or 4 of each. (for example I wouldn't know if william Marsh has parents called fred & wilma with a sister mary, or if they were george & mary with brother david etc)
Sandie V
30-01-2006, 05:24 PM
Can you not work out which one is yours by looking at the census reports for occupations?
katiepops
30-01-2006, 06:33 PM
Elin, I don't suppose you know if there were any brushmakers in your family, do you?
Kate
alison 2
30-01-2006, 06:34 PM
If you get their wedding certificate, it will give you their fathers names. This might help decipher which Ellen is yours on the census. The wedding cert should also give you some sort of address.
good luck
Alison
Helen T
30-01-2006, 06:39 PM
I think it would be worth getting a copy of the marriage certificate. You can then find out the father's names and get confirmation of the ages.
Sandi, no as they got married at 25 & 24 - Ellen had no occupation and all the williams I found don't seem to tie up either. He was a blacksmith.
Katie as far as I'm aware everyone seems to be blacksmiths or in the foundries. (except on my dad'd side there seems to be a streak of scouse hatters!:lol:) Why, have you got fairhurst brushmakers?
Thanks Alison, I think I'll get their certificate - it may be the only link I get.
SunDrop
30-01-2006, 07:01 PM
Get the marriage certificate to get their father's names. From this, you'll get their father's occupations, and whether they were still alive at the time of the wedding. Also check the witnesses' names, as they are often siblings or other close relatives.
Chances are Ellen was living at home before she got married and census returns will tell you which Ellen is yours, according to her father's name. Hopefully, you'll have the same joy with her husband.
Thanks Tisha That's what I hoped the marriage certificate will do. No, do I get it now or next month?? I've already got 2 this month (£14!!) and it will eat into my scrapping budget:lol:
katiepops
30-01-2006, 07:39 PM
Katie as far as I'm aware everyone seems to be blacksmiths or in the foundries. (except on my dad'd side there seems to be a streak of scouse hatters!:lol:) Why, have you got fairhurst brushmakers?
Nope, but we've got Marsh brushmakers ...
Kate
Katie are they the wigan/Horwich area by any chance??
Scrappy~Sarah
30-01-2006, 08:21 PM
Just pm you Elin - ?found her in 1891!!!!!!
Well I got her marriage certificate back today and found out her father's name and her age. So now managed to track them down on the census and find her mum and sibling's names. But guess what? Hit another brick wall now with census for 1861 and her parent's marriage certificate (things are getting complicated now as her mum had 3 children from a previous marriage which I can't find either:lol:)
As for her husband, get his age and father's name but still can't find any more info - even his GRO ref!:blink:
This is soooo slow!
To cap it all I've just had a positive contact from genes reunited but he must have gone for a cuppa or something cos he's not answered back!!! I have no idea how he's related and I'm dying to know!!
Gallifrey
09-02-2006, 09:39 PM
Sorry... to butt in...had to smile at your dilemma, Elin. Altho I'm not doing any genealogy my mum is...and she is having the same bother as you...with an Ellen Fairhurst in the 1891 survey. But even more of a co-incidence its the same area as you...Wigan/St Helens/Billinge!!! :o
:o! Can it be too much of a coincidence??? If it turns out she married Bill (William) Marshfrom Aspull on 3/10/1900 give her a shout!!! We will be related and we could bang heads together!:lol:
[QUOTE=Elin]
This is soooo slow!
Those who have been doing it for years and years refer to the old days as 'in the steam age'. Just think we used to have to write, post a letter and then wait and wait......and most of the time had to wait until we had the time to visit the area where they all lived. And along the way we learnt so much geography, history, etc
In the past 18 months on the internet I have, as my mother puts it, revolutionised the family. However, I still can't get any futher back than 1803 on our family...others yes, but not ours.
Can't wait for the 1841 census to come on line....thats the next round!
Jacqui
but that's ages away!! Then we've another 5 years to wait for the 1910 one to uncover skeletons from people we knew!:lol:
I'm just soooo impatient:lol:
But they reckon the 1911 census won't be as good as we think it might be. The enumerators returns were destroyed...that's what we view at the moment...and only the original returns remain. And they have not been stored very well...apparently the smell of them is quite bad!!!! And heaven knows how long it will take them to photo them, let alone index them.....
Was going to say, don't hold your breath for revelations...but then if they smell that bad might be a good idea.
:lol: What a shame! You could imagine older ones being damaged & destroyed but 1911!! Oh dear. 5 or 6 years is a little long for holding my breath however smelly:lol:
pierce-brosnan
11-02-2006, 03:36 PM
[QUOTE=Elin]
This is soooo slow!
Those who have been doing it for years and years refer to the old days as 'in the steam age'. Just think we used to have to write, post a letter and then wait and wait......and most of the time had to wait until we had the time to visit the area where they all lived. And along the way we learnt so much geography, history, etc
In the past 18 months on the internet I have, as my mother puts it, revolutionised the family. However, I still can't get any futher back than 1803 on our family...others yes, but not ours.
Can't wait for the 1841 census to come on line....thats the next round!
Jacqui
I've been doing it for years and one thing it has taught me is 'patience'. You think it's slow now, OMG you should have tried it 10 years ago :lol:
Good luck
PS. My mum always said 'there's nothing got with rushing - only babies' :D
pierce-brosnan
11-02-2006, 03:39 PM
Elin, the other thing I have found is best is, to find out as much as possible about one generation before trying to go back to the previous generation. It is amazing how many clues there are to be found doing it this way - HTH xXx
Sort of going sideways to get more info to go further back!
Just have to keep searching and saving for certificates then!
Thanks for your encouragement.
pierce-brosnan
11-02-2006, 04:08 PM
Yep that's exactly right. Don't forget memorial inscriptions & wills etc. They can be the very piece of information you're missing. I must admit I am totally hooked on my FH - I am sure I must be an obsessive compulsive :D :lol:
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