is there a way to find out

[sianb84]

I have been working today on part of my family tree and have come across two people living with grandparents. I have no idea who there parents are.

I think I know the surname of one of the grandchild's father as she has a different surname.

The grandson lived with the grandparents and then became a servant and the girl was with one set of grandparents for one census and then living with her other grandparents for the next census.

Is there any way I can find their parents?

[Elin]

Could you go further back in the census & work out who the grandparents kids were then try to narrow it down from there?

[sianb84]

I think I know the mother of the grandson but can't be certain. There were 6 kids (the grandparents children) and to be honest the granddaughter could be the daughter of any one of them!

[Jem]

Can you find matching marriage records for one of each set of grandparents children?
say son of X married Jun qtr 1868
with a matching record for the daughter of the other couple marrying in the same qtr? or vice versa.

[sianb84]

Where can I find such records? The only marriage things I can find on ancestry.co.uk don't give parents of the bride and groom.

Thanks.

[humbug]

if you are fairly certain you have the correct people if you order the wedding certificate that will give you both the bride and groom father, and then you have something to work on to find out who they married

[sianb84]

I have no idea at all who they married at the moment - have tried to find out but without much luck.

[humbug]

ah right i misunderstood - sorry

have you got their names - pm if you like

[sianb84]

Thank you

Have pm'ed you.

[Jem]

Sian
if you send me the details I'll have a look over the weekend for you. I'm so tired I can't put what I'm thinking into words (poorly sick children for the last 3 weeks, I'm running on auto pilot lol)

[sianb84]

Thanks for the offer Jem but humbug has helped me and it looks like the only way to find out will be the birth certificates which my dad has now ordered for us.

Thanks anyway

[Scrapmother]

I have struggled with my great grandmother who was illigitimate - I have her mothers details but there is no father shown on the birth certificate, however I cant find any details of her mother anywhere other than on the daughter's birth certificate. She lodged with a family and appeared on the census as a daughter after the death of the head of the household's wife and he is also on her marriage certificate listed as her father, which also shows the fathers name of both the bride and groom - I think that even our ancestors sometimes had tangled lives! Hope you have better luck than I have so far. From the county archives I understand that there is such a thing as a 'bastardy order' a bit like a present day maintenance order - and this may provide details of arrangements made and details of what happened - if you get no joy somewhere else it might be worth looking for these too. Hope you have better luck than me!

[Jem]

I have struggled with my great grandmother who was illigitimate - I have her mothers details but there is no father shown on the birth certificate, however I cant find any details of her mother anywhere other than on the daughter's birth certificate. She lodged with a family and appeared on the census as a daughter after the death of the head of the household's wife and he is also on her marriage certificate listed as her father, which also shows the fathers name of both the bride and groom - I think that even our ancestors sometimes had tangled lives! Hope you have better luck than I have so far. From the county archives I understand that there is such a thing as a 'bastardy order' a bit like a present day maintenance order - and this may provide details of arrangements made and details of what happened - if you get no joy somewhere else it might be worth looking for these too. Hope you have better luck than me!

Are you related to me? rofl The only reference I can find to my Gran's mum is a snippet in the 1901 census, none of her siblings births appear to have been registered either!